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OFF TOPIC!!! Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 05:22 #95996

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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 06:35 #95997

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MsJustine wrote:
By now many would have read and watched the video about Project Rush ...


Not me, thanks for bringing that up.


MsJustine wrote:
... oh my it looks so much like FCPX they could be sisters...




Only very superficially. They are talking about tracks!

I am very critical about FCP as well, but I don't fully share your conclusions. What I (often) say is, if there is bloatware, then it's Adobe, if someone hastily and half-heartedly integrates features, it's them, and FCP should not do the same. First comment under the Youtube video with "shameless Maya": "How about a stable version of premiere first?"

But I'm happy to be proven wrong. I was wrong with FCP X when it was launched (well, it did crash way too often). Also, as it appears now, I was completely wrong with my judgement of 10.4's color tools. They do work, and not despite the way they are designed (color swatches, for instance, work not in the same fashion as in Resolve or any other software).

Adobe has a record of painstakingly dividing pro- and consumer-software. They will not cannibalize CC and put the good stuff like Lumetri (or even, which would be actually better, a simplified Lumetri) into this. If anything, this is an iMovie clone. But with tracks, so fundamentally it's still Tetris.

Adobe wrote:
Go ahead and edit. And even take it further ... into Premiere Pro!


That's interesting. Could be good to preview and organize in the field.

Yesterday I read the fcp.co article on Mojave. Quicklook trimming? Looks like something I was dreaming of and asking for for a long time. I am constantly reminded why I prefer MacOS. And FCP.
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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 06:54 #95998

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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 07:12 #95999

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By now many would have read and watched the video about Project Rush ...

Not me, thanks for bringing that up.

Axel, you should more frequently read FCP.CO's front-page… Peter has published an article …
I applied for beta, although I'm very shy to bloat my SSD with Adobe-stuff… in the past, Adobe=braking the system… we'll

A few things I stumbled upon:
• 'powered by Premiere' - hmm, where does this concept come from…? (iMovie/FC)
• media in the cloud-concept… hmm, an average 4k-blog recording is… 4GBs? 16GBs? I can not believe that the 'raw' data of a project is in the cloud - in rural areas like Germany, upload would need days (wireless/by phone? not in this life) ; so, most probably, a proxy-system, which will ask for the 'originals' on final output? … <chime> frame.io?
• macOS, iOS, Android… what about our friends from the Windows-sphere? Does Adobe Research found out, they don't vBlog? …
• its GUI, I guess intentionally, targets on iMovie/FC users… so what is the 'extra', the USP of Rush to make me switch? … missing that point…

… and that 'sales'-girl,… really?… <cue voice of Danny Glover> "I'm too old for this shit" :silly:
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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 07:18 #96000

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I am so much in love with FCP that The Beach Boys' lyrics God only knows what I'd do without you fit. But the same lyrics say Life would still go on, believe me!

I think you are over-interpreting the weight of the WWDC comments, and though I admit that your logic is good, it's also slightly paranoid. And if it turns out that FCP is EOL and that this is proudly announced at this autumns Creative Summit, I'd shrug and move on. I for one am quite sure I'd always use Adobe on a Windows machine, in my view everything else makes little sense. I'd probably not be alone.
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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 07:29 #96001

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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 08:10 #96002

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No not paranoid, that would be an unfounded reaction, I am only commenting on real events, Axel you failed to comment on my very lengthy rational explanation of the keynote.


No, I indirectly answered it, because I said without FCP there was no need FOR ME to buy a maxed-out iMac (let alone iMP or future MP), Adobe notoriously runs better on PCs with Nvidia.

But maybe the iMP doesn't sell well, maybe there will be no nMP at all. See On The Sad State Of Macintosh Hardware.

Rush runs on mobile devices (core target group), but Resolve doesn't. Makes no sense to mention Blackmagic at all if you plan to kill all high end hardware in the medium term. Makes no sense to kill FCP if you plan powerful hardware for the future. How about that?


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So is what adobe doing with or without the blessing of mr crook? I say with...



I've now read Peters article. If Rush is ominous for anything, then perhaps more for the Premiere people. Premiere has become so slow and disabled, and Adobe did little to address this, that it's not completely unthinkable they are planning to abandon it. They launch Rush and see how it's received. Allegedly they DID include Lumetri! That's an earthquake and a volcano. It could be true. Premiere is considered obsolete, and that's their respectful way of pulling the trigger.
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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 08:23 #96003

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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 09:38 #96004

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Alright, if Apple is really working on this too, it could turn out to be really interesting. Don't be too pessimistic!
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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 09:46 #96005

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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 10:47 #96006

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Seriously? This again?
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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 10:52 #96007

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My apology, I thought I posted this in the off topic section...I made a mistake...could it be moved to the off topic section...It should be...I was in the off topic section pressed new topic,

1 it is in the off topic section..it is not, my fault, sorry....
2 you can choose to comment, comment if you please, and
3 what is wrong with speaking out here?

It is off topic, why did you choose to read...
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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 15:01 #96008

Is there any logical reason why Apple will pull FCPX's plug and hand it over to Adobe? Or is this a recycled conspiracy theory from last week?
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OFF TOPIC!!! Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 16:48 #96009

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I hope you enjoy your new NLE 'Rush', but please stop trolling FCP.co. Please go use another NLE.

You have no knowledge of Apple, WWDC, programming, and the insistent pessimistic ranting against FCPX and Apple serves no purpose other than what? Loneliness?? Most of your posts are designed to get a rise out of people. You don't ask for help(other than asking people to get you a job), or provide help to others. Classic Troll behavior.

Time to stop feeding the Trolls

Peace, Greg
Sorry if I'm out of line here, but I deeply appreciate fcp.co and community, especially because it is free from rants and is truly helpful and informative. Feel like I have to rant. :(
If this violates site rules, please remove this post. Not sure how to contact Peter or moderators.
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OFF TOPIC!!! Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 17:07 #96010

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OFF TOPIC!!! Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 20 Jun 2018 23:10 #96015

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"3 what is wrong with speaking out here?"

You're making claims that have no basis in truth, and that we've all read from you a thousand times. It is getting old, you offer nothing new or insightful.

OK, I'm done here.
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Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 23 Jun 2018 08:15 #96051

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OFF TOPIC!!! Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 23 Jun 2018 14:20 #96057

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Why is this the end of Final Cut Pro X?
Adobe Project Rush looks like iMovie with one major benefit, which still can't believe Apple isn't able to pull this off with there knowledge and infrastructure .
"Access projects from any device and continue editing" This is actually pretty big.
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OFF TOPIC!!! Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 23 Jun 2018 19:43 #96062

As for logic, Apple has none, why did it one fine day redline Final Cut Studio 3? Just like that, 7.0.3 and that was the end of that? Why is Apple running parallel beta programs for HS and Mojave? Why not redline HS and focus on Mojave???

Apple didn't redline FCP 7 one fine day, it just ceased development when FCPX was released. FCP7 was redlined last year, 9 years after the latest release, when macOS 10.13 rolled out to the public. The simple reason of ceasing development was the change in architecture in OSX and the jump from 32/64bit OS to pure 64bit. There was no reason (financial or practical) to continue developing or even rewriting FCP 7 as a 64bit program, an ageing 32bit app with code as old as from 2000 and created for 32 bit Operating Systems, to utilise the latest tech in a 64Bit OS from 2011, when they already decided to reinvent FCP as FCPX. " In the time since developing the original Final Cut Pro, computers had once again made huge improvements in processor and hard disk speed. This, combined with the limitations of the old code that was the basis of Final Cut Pro, plus Randy's own insights as to how people were using video editing software, inspired him to give Final Cut Pro a reboot.
"Randy told me, “One of my biggest goals in the software I worked on was always to reduce the amount of time spent in the mechanics of editing, allowing editors to concentrate on telling their stories.” The rebuild aimed to achieve this goal through the introduction of skimming (which made its original debut in iMovie ’08), simplified media management, background rendering, the creation of the magnetic timeline, and many other features that deviated greatly from the norm of NLEs. Implementing all of these new features and designing them to work on modern computing architecture meant that FCP had to be rebuilt from the ground up. Randy got to work and thus FCP X was born."
www.linkedin.com/pulse/i-gave-fcp-x-anot...terview-david-busse/

High Sierra will be redlined after Mojave comes out. But right now, 10.13 is still the latest macOS release and Mojave is not even publicly released as a beta yet. There is always a last minor update before the roll out of a new major update of macOS.
given the relationship between Apple and Adobe, you cannot miss the obvious relationship, you work on project A, why not on project B? Why maintain something a 3rd party has the funds/talent and desire to? Tim Crook is in the business of business..Hell if I was Tim, it is a no brainer, in fact it might be contrary to his contract if he does not kill of pro apps, given how well Adobe is coding..
The only obvious relationship between Apple and Adobe is the business side. Adobe is a customer of Apple, not a partner. It uses macOS as a foundation for their apps (Premier, Photoshop, After Effects, etc) to run and for people to buy them, or more accurately, to rent them, something that Apple and BlackMagic Design are well aware that people are not too happy about this, as we can see from the former keeping their price tags low on the Pro apps, and the later matching them (Studio version of Davinci Resolve is the same price as FCPX now). Adobe doesn't code as well as Apple because it does not have the same funds as Apple to design a NLE for macOS on the same level of optimisation as FCP, because Adobe releases multi-platform apps and have to devide resources to have all of them on the same page in all platforms (macOS, Windows, iOS, Android) and this reduces the performance output of these programs. Premiere is notorious for how unoptimised and slow it is when running on macOS compared to FCPX, and how buggy it is. Even hardcore Premier users I know, that used to swear on the superiority of Premiere and bashing FCPX as a toy that playbacks .R3D :P , now are sick and tired of how old and slow Premiere has become and some are even jumping in the FCPX wagon. And as for Tim Cook and why he does not pull the plug fo the Pro Apps and handing them over to 3rd party developers? Well because he knows how to do business. I mean why give to an antagonist the opportunity to be a sole player in the low and midrange NLE market, when your own NLE sells 500.000 copies only in the last year and increasing ( 2.000.000 in April 2017 9to5mac.com/2017/04/26/final-cut-pro-x-sales/ and 2.500.000 in April 2018 www.apple.com/ca/newsroom/2018/04/final-...d-closed-captioning/ ) and drives the purchase of new hardware as well.
Adobe Project Rush looks like iMovie with one major benefit, which still can't believe Apple isn't able to pull this off with there knowledge and infrastructure .
"Access projects from any device and continue editing" This is actually pretty big.
It's a great idea t be able to edit from anywhere but I wonder how is Apple going to face the problem of storage. How are we going to access files through an iPad Pro that are stored in RAIDs and are in the amounts of terabytes? Or edit from a remote place with no or slow access to the internet?
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OFF TOPIC!!! Project Rush...is it the end of FCPX? 23 Jun 2018 23:46 #96066

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WWWwwwweeeeeellll....

Isn't there a limit to like 3 tracks of video? How much can you really do with that? Very basic TV commercials? Selfie movies? Doesn't iMovie do this on the iPhone, iPad and a Mac, all your devices?

To me this is just Adobe iMovie, and the develop for PC and Mac. But, they're stuff is super buggy.
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