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FCPX 10.3.4 files missing but not missing! 16 Aug 2017 09:42 #89921

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Hi FCPXers

I inherited an insane project.
Insane in terms of how it was emmmmm managed and also in terms of size.
And I have this horrible sinking feeling...

I have this event here: "20150329 Viola HAMBURG zu Hause"
And in this event I have files such as “2015_03_29 Wasche”
My plan was to edit in Proxy quality and render up to optimised when finished!!!
(I left the files in place and Rendered Proxy on import)
Any way I threw out the Proxy render files by mistake for this particular event. Yep.
I thought that I could render them again…

a) If I select this file or any file in the above mentioned event I can navigate to file>Transcode Media (not greyed out)
b) I can select “Create Proxy” and nothing happens. No render bars nothing.
c) If I go an example clips such as “2015_03_29 Wäsche” I can do a right mouse click and reveal in finder and find the clip. Please see screen shot. *
d) If I select just this clip and try and render it I nothing happens.
e) If I try importing it again nothing happens.

Did I say I have this horrible sinking feeling?

I really do not know where to start like I am trying to create a stable link from:
“2015_03_29 Wäsche” in a MXF folder “A0702”
For none germans that is really Viola hanging her washing (bra) in the kitchen.
My gut is telling me that the renaming of the MXF files (how ever this was achieved) is part of the problem.

I need to double check this but I think the files were being read/edited with a 3rd party software called "Magic Video Converter" or similar!!!

Which I suspect was/is this:

www.icoolsoft.com/video-converter-for-mac/

But as I say I need to double check this!

If any one can shed light on this file voodoo I would be very grateful

thanks
Paul
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FCPX 10.3.4 files missing but not missing! 16 Aug 2017 10:33 #89923

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paurray wrote:
...plan was to edit in Proxy quality....(I left the files in place and Rendered Proxy on import)....Any way I threw out the Proxy render files by mistake for this particular event....If I select this file or any file in the above mentioned event I can navigate to file>Transcode Media (not greyed out)....I can select “Create Proxy” and nothing happens. No render bars nothing......I really do not know where to start like I am trying to create a stable link from: “2015_03_29 Wäsche” in a MXF folder “A0702”....My gut is telling me that the renaming of the MXF files (how ever this was achieved) is part of the problem....I need to double check this but I think the files were being read/edited with a 3rd party software called "Magic Video Converter" or similar!!!....

Normally you can delete generated proxy files and recreate them without any problem. If you set the viewer to view>original, can you still see all your original media files? If *those* files were renamed that may be a big problem. You cannot relink to the original source media if the file names have changed.

If the original media files have the same name as when imported, you should be able to delete generated library files (ie proxies, render files, etc) by clicking on the library, then File>Delete Generated Library Files, and picking all the check boxes.

Do you mean somehow the proxy files were renamed inside the library package by an external utility? If so that would also be a problem and you might have to manually delete the proxy files.

If somehow the source media files themselves were renamed, your best solution might be recovering from backup. If that's not possible and if the original files show available in FCPX, there is a small chance it could be salvaged. FCPX file handling does not actually point to the file but the file's "inode". In some cases the media file can be renamed or moved (on the same volume) and it will still work. However other things like proxy generation might fail -- I can't remember the exact behavior. In that case it might be possible to salvage work to date by (within FCPX) copying the entire library to another library on a different hard drive, then consolidating. That will freshly rebuild the references from FCPX to each media file in the new location. I have not tried this and I only mention it as a possibility.
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FCPX 10.3.4 files missing but not missing! 16 Aug 2017 11:06 #89924

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Hello joema

First off thank you for your detailed reply. This really helps me realise that I am not going mad :woohoo:
Normally you can delete generated proxy files and recreate them without any problem.

Yes I am aware of this.
If you set the viewer to view>original, can you still see all your original media files? If *those* files were renamed that may be a big problem. You cannot relink to the original source media if the file names have changed.

The short answer is yes.

The long answer is that...
I suspect that the lady who was managing this so far was using a 3rd party converter to

a) “Log” = name change
b) Convert stuff.

She then imported into FCP7 in intermediate codec. :whistle:
I need to double check where the conversion to intermediate codec happened exactly.
It is possible that it was a 2 step process eg 3rd party then FCP7!!!

Thus I am going back to the original folder structure (including renamed files) and taking the root folder and ingesting into FCPX.
If the original media files have the same name as when imported, you should be able to delete generated library files (ie proxies, render files, etc) by clicking on the library, then File>Delete Generated Library Files, and picking all the check boxes.

I already did this but using Final Cut Library Manager. I was falling asleep and deleted a pile of render files from the wrong Library. In retrospect I think this is not such a bad idea as it means I have potential problems on the radar!
Do you mean somehow the proxy files were renamed inside the library package by an external utility? If so that would also be a problem and you might have to manually delete the proxy files.

No this is defiantly not the case.
Previously they were in a folder and I suspect tampered with by a third party app.
But in the moment that they got into my Library I have treated then with TLC.
Apart from my deleting render files massacre which should not be a problem anyway.

After a crash and a restart I can now render proxies for this one event.
I tried to do this at least 10 times previously and am actually awake today so I do not think it is me.

With respect to your last suggestion I will do some more rendering first.
But I very much have the feeling that the Miracle is why this is even working/sometimes/kind of!?!
This project has been 20 years in the making so you can imagine how deep the rabbit hole is.

Honestly I would be very happy if I did not have to resort to your last suggestion.
(Attempting to bend the future here with good vibes etc)
The final Edit is going to be pushing 2 hours!!!

I will report back and thanks again

all the best

Paul

ps this is going to sound insane but I have the feeling that if I render original material to optimised first I can then render to proxy!!!
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FCPX 10.3.4 files missing but not missing! 17 Aug 2017 10:23 #89941

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Hi, hi

After lots of further weirdness yesterday...
Just wanted to say that today I am rendering pretty much every thing in Proxy.
I can only describe it as a lose connection between the clips in FCPX and the finder.
But every thing is there.

all the best

Paul
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