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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 Oct 2017 12:08 #91155

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Hi, I updated my mac to High Sierra and I found that final cut studio 3 does not work: cry: I'm particularly interested in fcp 7 but wonder if there is a way to make it work, maybe a patch or something like that I also passed with fcpX but with liver version 7 I was relieved and I do not want to throw it away
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 Oct 2017 12:11 #91156

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It will not work with High Sierra. You would need to have a backup disk with an older OS to be able to run it. None of Apple's 32-bit applications will work any longer.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 Oct 2017 13:38 #91157

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you are giving me a bad news unfortunately!

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sorry, thank you anyway for having responded to me
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 18 Oct 2017 23:26 #91186

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Isn't it true that no 32-bit app will run at all in High Sierra? Not just those from Apple?
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 18 Oct 2017 23:51 #91188

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I believe Apple said HS, which is a development of Sierra, would be the last IS that supported 32-bit apps.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 18 Oct 2017 23:51 #91189

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I believe Apple said HS, which is a development of Sierra, would be the last IS that supported 32-bit apps.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 22 Oct 2017 15:42 #91237

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Without getting into why you are still using an app from 2009 that was EOL'ed in 2011, how about working with the project in Premiere Pro? Doesn't Premiere import FCP7 projects without an XML export/import?
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 23 Oct 2017 02:05 #91241

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Great reason to upgrade to X.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 23 Oct 2017 08:59 #91243

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Doesn't Premiere import FCP7 projects without an XML export/import?

No, it doesn't.

To the OP:

If you only use FCP (or any old 32-bit application) there is no reason to update your OS to High Sierra at all. If you really want to benefit from the latest technology, use FCP X. The transition is very easy, and you will be surprised how much it will improve your editing experience.

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FCP7 vs High Sierra 23 Oct 2017 09:30 #91244

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Yip if you upgrade to High Sierra, the disks of fInal cut pro 6/7 are coasters, useless... Apple sent emails to users it had on record saying HS would be the 1st to stop using 32bit pro apps...I suspect the new file format system [?] is one of the reasons...

I kind of wish and keep writing to Apple to ask for a "sandboxing" of pro apps, given the sound effect library in FCP6/7 is huge...To throw that away is criminal!!!

Just partition off the hard drive in 2 parts, one with HS and one using a lower grade OS..Then install FCP6/7 on the lower grade OS...

But really time to move on, leave the ox wagons and get used to driving a hybrid...
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 15 Jan 2018 05:27 #93299

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I know it's been awhile, but for anyone looking for more information like I've been, there is a program called FCS Remover, which lets you uninstall exactly what portions of which FCS apps you want to get rid of, and lets you keep the things you want. For instance, you can have the app itself, the preferences and other things you'll never use, but keep all the content libraries.

There is also an app called Send to X which will take FCP 7 and Premiere Pro projects and make them FCP X-compatible.

I'm still having a hard time deciding if I'm going to upgrade to High Sierra or not. It's been months and I can't help wondering if I'll ever need FCP 7 again.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 15 Jan 2018 11:26 #93302

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My advice about fcp7..I would suggest a small partition on the primary drive, install the last operating system that works with FCP7, set and forget...

Upgrade and install High Sierra and start to edit using fcpx, there is no point using an outdated non linear system, but that tiny partition may one day be useful, you dont have to worry about it, you know it is there...
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 May 2018 04:08 #95520

Well... interesting problem. Bought a new iMac Pro for Davinci, Fusion, AE, FCPX, etc., with the intention of adding a second boot, with Sierra or earlier for access to FCP7. But... iMac Pro won't accept the install (or external boot) of ANY OS other than High Sierra.

Uh oh.

This could be enough to ditch the iMac Pro for a beefed up iMac, because I have past projects for clients I need to be able to access, unique plug-ins and renders and all, and yes, even have a current documentary project that came in on FCP7. This is bad.

FCP better truly be incompatible with High Sierra, because if Apple intentionally hobbled it (which they will do sometimes for various reasons), then it's time to curse their name, pierce an Apple VooDoo doll (huh, maybe just a real apple will do in this case), mail in bags of bird poo, etc. etc..

P.S. FYI FCP7 won't run in VMs due to lack of GPU support (VMWare, Parallels, Virtualbox, tried 'em all).
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 May 2018 05:12 #95522

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The most obvious solution is to buy a used old mac of some kind, laptop or imac, and install an older reliable OS that runs FCP7, something like El Cap.

What seems obvious would have been to write code that allows sandboxing of 32bit professional apps, final cut studio, logic, shake.

Apple don;t think like the rest of the planet, what happens on the mothership is a mystery...It is really a stupid decision to just blindly deny access...Yeah yeah 32bit and all that...you are 100% correct, old projects often need re-editing, it happens...

Apple sadly is not focused on the task at hand...It thinks it knows what is best for you and for me, and for every user out there...Apple you don't know...stop this...
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 May 2018 11:24 #95528

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Yes, all computer developers should support software that was written in super outdated code at the time it was EOL'ed, and NOT give us newer, more powerful technologies in the OS. Yes, that is absolutely correct. Apple is stupid! Don't use Apple products any longer! Leave Apple! New hardware should not be faster and more powerful, it should support really old, outdated OS versions! How utterly stupid of Apple! Everyone leave Apple, cause they're stupid!

Now, does anyone know how to get this 8-track tape deck to work in my 2018 Corvette? Cause it's way better than the satellite radio it comes with!
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 May 2018 11:35 #95531

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No that is wrong and you know it.

I listed 3 apps that are professional in nature, that have a long history and will remain professional for a long time to come, kind of like having to keep leaded gas, as there are cars that still require it, maybe at 300 years you might consider taking away leaded gasoline.

Sandboxing is a great solution, it works when it needs to, there are countries that only use FCP7 as it is more cost effective, archives are built around this old system.

I personally feel it should be mandatory for Apple and other tech firms to support through some means legacy software, it is software, I can understand the obsolete path of tech 2 days after it has been released...that makes sense.

Apple has made an error of judgement, no 2 errors, firewire in 2018, when most modern devices don't support it, and legacy code support for Final Cut Studio 2/3.

Actually how hard would it be to re-code HS so that when you install HS it actually partitions the SSD of your choice into 2, 1 large for HS and 1 for legacy, you decide this at the install stage, and once the HS OS is installed and you need an older OS, you can install it as part of the 2nd stage of install??

I would suggest that Final Cut Studio has a long life span ahead, sure it was not loved by Apple, and terminated very quickly, and Apple being Apple will not support it, fine, accepted..

If Apple have EOL'ed this app, then why not just throw it onto the web, warts and all, to Apple it has zero value, like a used paper coffee cup, why not give the code away so that others can keep it alive????
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 May 2018 11:47 #95532

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I agree with some others that the solution is to find yourself a second Mac that is a couple of years older and Install sierra on it. I have a 2015 MacBook Pro i7 that runs FCP7 great if I ever needed to open (although I just opened it once and exported Xmls of all my timelines)

People that still require FCP7 are just goIng to have to keep their machines and do not upgrade the OS. Or buy one of the many 2013 Mac Pros that are for sale whenever a production house upgrades to new iMac Pros or the New Mac Pro (hopefully coming soon).

If you choose to live in the past with your software, (and yes it’s a choice, they could simply XML everything to FCpX and keep working), then you have to keep living in the past with your machine too.

Would be nice if somehow Apple allowed older software to run in new OS, but they shouldn’t be expected to. The majority of users want better performance, not access to legacy software
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 May 2018 12:03 #95533

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Final Cut Pro 7 was released in 2009. Final Cut Pro X was released in 2011, but arguably was fully featured between 2012 and 2013. The biggest head scratcher for me is why haven't you moved those old projects to FCPX with 7toX or an XML workaround through Resolve? Or why haven't you moved them to Premiere?

I find it crazy that FCP7 has worked all the way up through Sierra.

What are your options now?
- Export Masters in ProRes (which should have been done already anyways)
- Export project XMLs
- Import those XMLs into Premiere or Resolve—it's your choice. For the people that are anti-subscription, Resolve is free. Everyone else that has Creative Cloud, just download Premiere.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 17 May 2018 12:39 #95534

Upvote. Thank you.

For me it's not relevant or, really, informed (about who I may be and what I may do) to speak of it as a "choice" so much as a need, a part of my work. Sure, in your professional life it is your "choice" to do your work, but again, that's not really relevant or helpful to the discussion. I use Resolve extensively, FCPX somewhat, but also need FCP7 in my work. The projects are so enormous and complex typically with the onlines, gradings and animations I have done that conversion is untenable -- restoring and replicating hundreds of instances of manual keyframing and sizing, and the attendant relinking errors certainly familiar to those of you who have gone to such depths, not the full-time moonlighting that's worth any professional's time on old projects -- and not possible anyway with the extensive use of third-party legacy filtering.

Anyway, yes, you're right about the second Mac. Indeed I already have it and had intended to sell it for about $1000, a nice chunk of change still, but am forced to keep it set up in a stupid, super in-the-way place, a nine-pound hammer of a solution. It may in the end be more sensible to ditch iMac Pro (a choice) -- a prospect I truly resent, as this legacy OS limitation is pointless (even Sierra??) -- and go for the newest iMac. In short, this all sucks, trust me, those who want to poo poo it from the back seat of my own car, it really does suck. Be nice.
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FCP7 vs High Sierra 18 May 2018 11:44 #95551

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The latest 5K iMac (maxed out) is a great machine, and honestly I preferred it over the iMac Pro too. Especially the base model. I’m not sure what updates Apple has planned for it this year, but the latest 5K iMac also has user replaceable ram.

I’d go for the 5k iMac. But I’d still export masters from FCP7 and the XML. Not because that’s what a professional would do, but because that’s a good backup procedure.
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