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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 16 Nov 2017 02:17 #91727

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Wondering if there is a program that allows incremental backups of a Library from one disk to another. So when you work on a project on one disk, you can back it incrementally up on another disk as you go along, so you're not replacing the entire Library every time you back it up.

I use a backup program for my main Mac disks called Super Duper, and it has this ability to do what they call a Smart Update, so that when you back up your main drive to another, it only needs to update the changes.

But this program only works on entire disks or drives, not on something smaller, like, say, a FCP X library. Anything out there that can do this? Many thanks!
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 16 Nov 2017 07:44 #91733

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Our facility uses Carbon Copy Cloner, which allows you specify folders to backup, and does incremental backups if desired.
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 16 Nov 2017 11:55 #91742

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Thank you!
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 16 Nov 2017 21:55 #91751

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Ben: Tried Carbon Copy Cloner. It does indeed update the Library incrementally, but it tosses away (or hides , or something, the actual Library wrapper and the familiar purple icon, so all you get on the second drive are all the disjointed folders that are contained in the Library bundle, but not the bundle, if you know what I mean. Is there any way to recreate the bundle? I would love to be able to incrementally update Libraries from one disk to the other, but unless I can figure out how to get the Library wrapper around all the folders again so FCPX will see it as a Library, this isn't going to work for me either.
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 16 Nov 2017 23:15 #91754

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Hey,

Just wondering, are the 15 minute backups that FCPX makes not enough? also, in case you didn't know, you can change them to back up on a separate drive. (you'd have to change this for each library you have)

With our work flow here we just let fcpx back up to the local drive, and then let Time Machine back up the whole system to an external. that way, we have everything backed up, even backups of the FCPX backups.

hope that helps, I love a good discussion about Backups!
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 17 Nov 2017 00:08 #91757

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Well, I'm not sure if your system would work. I work with a couple of editors. Typically I will make copies of the Library (including the High Quality Media, a practice that has subjected me to some ridicule in these forums:-) on two or three auxiliary hard drives.

I give one to the editor, he does a ton of work and sends or brings the drive back. I want to immediately update the other two Libraries on the other drives to include the new work. Sometimes, it's just the Project in the Library that the editor has updated, but sometimes, there's the addition of more footage etc.

So then I drag the Library icon from his drive onto the other two drives, and it begins the long and tedious task of replacing the old Library with new one from scratch...even though most of the content has not changed.

What I am looking for is a way to just update the changes in the Library from the editor's drive to the two backup drives, preferably without starting from scratch each and every time we back up. Maybe what I should be asking is how to copy a Project snapshot from one Library to a similar Library on another drive. I don't know. I realize that my way is clunky, but it results in three full, updated copies on three different drives of an assignment in progress.

Carbon Copy Cloner does the incremental update, but somehow loses the "Library" package and icon, which doesn't help me.

In advance, let me say that I'm not willing to go with only Proxy media, or Original media...I want each Library to have the whole kit and kaboodle in it. I know, it's archaic, but it's the way I have to roll:-)
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 17 Nov 2017 00:30 #91758

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We use CCC nightly, and have never had any issues with it. Contact their tech support, cause it keeps our Libraries in tact every time.

Select a Library, Cmd-i, be sure ".fcpbundle" is at the end of the Library name.
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 17 Nov 2017 03:25 #91763

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It sounds like CCC is the best option,

however, you have a couple other options.

the easiest is to send a library XML between two "media managed libraries" the "back up' library will ask if you want to replace the clips. you say yes! then boom, it's updated. Any new files will begin to copy over.
(this will cause the "content created date" of compound clips and the like to change)

You could also try dragging events between matching "media managed" libraries. FCPX will ask if you want to include optimized or proxy media**. Then FCPX will move the events over and you'll have everything in the "back up library. This will also include any keyword ranges and such that the editor applied to any clips. and fcpx is smart enough to not make duplicate media, and knows to copy the new media over. Then you just have to remove the old event or events.

obviously test the workflows for you first. I just did a dry run with some media managed libraries here, and it worked fine.

**I didn't bother copying over the Optimized media, as I could of just had the back up make it, and save me the copy time.

hope that helps,
Last Edit: 17 Nov 2017 03:27 by FernKraft. Reason: wrong vernacular
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 17 Nov 2017 16:48 #91776

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But be aware that XML still can loose some info - i.e. media in Drop Zones.
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 19 Nov 2017 03:32 #91796

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You should look into this product description ... for me it has been very good:
itunes.apple.com/us/app/backups-for-fina...586594646?ls=1&mt=12

I never upgrade OS until I have to, so Final Cut Pro X never behaves badly.
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 21 Nov 2017 15:50 #91845

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BobKrist wrote:
Ben: Tried Carbon Copy Cloner. It does indeed update the Library incrementally, but it tosses away (or hides , or something, the actual Library wrapper and the familiar purple icon, so all you get on the second drive are all the disjointed folders that are contained in the Library bundle, but not the bundle, if you know what I mean. Is there any way to recreate the bundle? I would love to be able to incrementally update Libraries from one disk to the other, but unless I can figure out how to get the Library wrapper around all the folders again so FCPX will see it as a Library, this isn't going to work for me either.

I use Carbon Copy Cloner as well and have not had this issue. Do you copy to a drive formatted as Mac OS Extended? Do you copy extended attributes?
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 22 Nov 2017 19:18 #91885

At Metronome we have used ChronoSync for quite a few years, which specifically treats and dissects FCPX Libraries as "folders", and does incremental backups of them. Great tool. Highly recommended, also for that purpose.

Adding: The "Library" package and icon are not lost with ChronoSync. In the Options tab remember to set "Package handling" to "Dissect" to enable this feature.
Last Edit: 22 Nov 2017 19:24 by MadsLarsenNielsen.
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Is there a program that allows incremental backups of Libraries from one disk to another? 23 Nov 2017 15:12 #91897

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I just selected the Library...I will check next time. thanks!
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