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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 10 Dec 2019 13:34 #103092

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Hi everybody,
I have a workflow problem that is very recurrent and that I wish I can solve with your help.

Okay, I need you to follow me here:
I always import my media and organize them, first in the Finder.
I put them in a folder name by this sequence: {DATE}-{PROJECT-NAME}
With a folder tree that divides: Footages and Sound
Then, inside the different cameras, recorders etc
And I basically drop them in the folder, so when I import them, I get automatically the keywords telling me the type of media and the camera that it comes from.

But then sometimes I'm recording Multicam, sometimes not, sometimes I'm using a voice recorder, sometimes not and sometimes I used all together of course. So when I have a long day shooting documentaries or even more with music performers or something like this, I get a lot of files that can be synced and other that are meant to be alone and I have no idea what goes with what...

Fortunately, I found Plural Eyes very efficient for this, I basically feed the beast with all the footage of the day (putting the whole project would be a suicide and sorting by date is pretty easy in column view ).

Okay, so I sync them, Plural Eye tells me what is syncable and put the rest aside, then create me an event and a project with the files corresponding.
Until there it's perfect!

The problem is that those files syncable, are already present in my library since I've imported the folder containing all the files. But the worst is that Final Cut, instead of realizing that it's the same file, create a duplicate thumbnail in my library that is completely independent, and don't even sync keywords, colours, roles, markers or whatever you can put to help you sort out all this.

So in the end, I have twice the same file in my library and one of them is synced in a very proper way, but the other is just hanging there. And since I don't know which one has been synced or not when I look at my whole library (that can be 1500 files for one documentary) and that they don't hesitate of each other's keywords, then when I'm derushing I'm always watching the files that I will derush again when I'll open my synced daily project...

I don't know if I'm been clear here because it's a little tricky to explain...

But basically, I import, sync files externally and then there are some duplicate files in my lib, but I don't know which ones.
I can very simply isolate the synced version of it, by putting a Favorite marker or a keyword or whatever and filtering it in the viewer. Or even more simple, by selecting just the synced event created by Plural Eyes. But that's the version I want to keep, right?

I can also create a filter to filter them out, so I will show all files not synced.

But what I actually need is to filter only the unsynced version of the files that I have already synced :/
And this is very tricky!

So far, I've been running through lists to eliminate duplicated names
By putting a Role "Synced vids" to the synced files, making a selection of the duplicated items, and then switching the viewer's filter to hide the one that has the role "synced" and I should have my files to, then delete from the library.

But this is a very tedious job and very open to human mistake.
When you have to visual check if names are similar in a long list of 1500 following numbers, you have so many chances to click at the wrong place without noticing at some point...

I'm very sure there is a very easy way to solve that I never thought about and that would save me ages and my mental health xD
Thank you ! :S
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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 10 Dec 2019 18:34 #103100

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NoSpHieL wrote:
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I always import my media and organize them, first in the Finder.
I put them in a folder name by this sequence: {DATE}-{PROJECT-NAME}
With a folder tree that divides: Footages and Sound
Then, inside the different cameras, recorders etc
And I basically drop them in the folder, so when I import them, I get automatically the keywords telling me the type of media and the camera that it comes from.

This is a good method, with one exception. FCPX has a bug or issue whereby loading XML can create spurious duplicate clips if the original disk filenames are not globally unique. PluralEyes uses XML to load the synced material. If you see duplicates with a suffix 1, 2, etc, it may be that issue. If so the solution is rename all files making them unique. I usually add a 5-digital incrementing serial number. There are various rename tools. I use "A Better Finder Rename": www.publicspace.net/ABetterFinderRename/index.html

A different possibility: The PluralEyes XML will create a new event for the synced multicam and project. Within those new events may appear "duplicate" clips but they are not really duplicate, they are pointing to the original clips in your normal event. In my testing you can move the project and multicam to your normal event and delete the events that PluralEyes created. However do your own testing to be sure.

Ideally always use a "lean" library with proxies, media and cache outside the library. Then you can easily manually duplicate the library using Finder at certain key times, such as before loading an XML. Otherwise the library is too large to easily duplicate.

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....But then sometimes I'm recording Multicam, sometimes not, sometimes I'm using a voice recorder, sometimes not and sometimes I used all together of course. So when I have a long day shooting documentaries or even more with music performers or something like this, I get a lot of files that can be synced and other that are meant to be alone and I have no idea what goes with what...

If all cameras and recorders are set with proper time of day, the ingested clips sort adjacent to each other. This can help locate the related clips for a multicam shoot. If you later find a certain camera or recorder was set incorrectly, inspect it and determine how far off. Sometimes you can inspect the files themselves and determine this, e.g, if Cam1 of a certain interview has time of day 1:15 PM and Cam2 of the same interview has time of day 2:15 PM, and you know Cam1 is correct, then simply adjust all clips from Cam2 by -1 hr within FCPX: Modify>Adjust Content Created Date And Time.

A few more tips:

- Consider using Tentacle Sync devices. They will work with any camera or recorder and are much faster and more reliable than PluralEyes. For a long time I resisted using these, thinking FCPX sync and PluralEyes were good enough. Now I will never shoot without TentacleSync: tentaclesync.com

- If possible use an audio recorder that writes a polyphonic WAV file and has iXML annotation. Examples: Zoom F4, F8, Audio Devices, etc. This greatly simplifies handling audio in post:

www.rippletraining.com/articles/free-vid...-final-cut-pro-10-3/

- While Zoom recorders are good, Audio Devices recorders have high-speed analog limiters which is better than dual-level recording for avoiding clipping.

- Do not copy "bare" clips or projects between libraries unless those are inside a "transfer" event. Otherwise FCPX may create spurious duplicate clips. Create the spare event in Library1, copy the clips or projects to that event, then copy the event to Library2.
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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 13 Dec 2019 11:54 #103203

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NoSpHieL wrote:
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I always import my media and organize them, first in the Finder.
I put them in a folder name by this sequence: {DATE}-{PROJECT-NAME}
joema wrote:
If so the solution is rename all files making them unique. I usually add a 5-digital incrementing serial number.

I was actually talking about the folder tree, for the file names I'm always keeping the original ones from camera, and don't edit it. I don't have a problem of duplicated files ({filename_1}) it's just virtually copied, it's 2 importation of the same file, but the marker, selection, keywords, roles etc I apply to one version doesn't apply to the second one...

One thing I didn't precise, is that I'm Importing my files first through the finder, so off course hen I import it to the library, I don't copy them but leave then where they are. The problem is that plural eyes always reimport them, creating a duplicate version of the same file (in Library, not in the finder).
joema wrote:
If all cameras and recorders are set with proper time of day, the ingested clips sort adjacent to each other. This can help locate the related clips for a multicam shoot. If you later find a certain camera or recorder was set incorrectly, inspect it and determine how far off. Sometimes you can inspect the files themselves and determine this, e.g, if Cam1 of a certain interview has time of day 1:15 PM and Cam2 of the same interview has time of day 2:15 PM, and you know Cam1 is correct, then simply adjust all clips from Cam2 by -1 hr within FCPX: Modify>Adjust Content Created Date And Time.

Yes, I usually sync all the time (even if I'm travelling a lot and sometimes it's difficult to think about).
But maybe I'm not very organized when filming... I'm making documentaries, vlog, videos clips and stuff like that, all alone... So there is a lot of configurations that make this quite inefficient...

For example:
I'm recording a retreat for 10 days, I will film 3-4h every single day.
I'm filming a Chi Gong practice outside, the teacher is wearing a Lavalier Microphone connected to my cellphone in his pocket, I have 2 cameras with 2 different angles, one on him, the other one on the group. Meanwhile, my audio recorder is on the other side of the garden, grabbing some natural sounds, insects, river etc
After the class, the teacher feels like making an interview, I let one camera running on him while I'm running to grab my audio recorder to mount it on the second camera.

In this situation, I have only file sources, 2 camera, 1 audio recorder and 1 smartphone lav mic. But the timecode will be all messed up, and this is only 1 of the 4h for this day, and same for the 10 other days...
And when I start editing, 2 months later (because in between I've been a month in a rainbow and another month travelling with hippies in the caravan and chilling around hot springs, with no access to electricity) then this constant disorganisation doesn't make any sense to me anymore, I have no idea what each gear was doing at which time.

Even if I managed to start them all together, maybe I'll stop one camera to change the angle and take another shot, maybe I'll change microphone in the middle of the interview, maybe we will change the location and stuff like that... And timecode overlap, or not etc
If I start then together, then I can know and group the ones that start more or less at the same time, but then I would also need to look at the end time, so add every clip that started during this time frame. But then, maybe there file that starts in this time frame but belong to something else...

At the end, I have 1500 files and no idea of what goes with what... So I typically use PluralEyes on the full day at this stage, it will make me one timeline with all the things that align. My problem is that when I'm reviewing my files to make the first sort and first selection, I have to watch through the timelines created by PluralEyes, but I also have to watch all the files in the browser, and unfortunately, the files synced by PluralEyes are there too, and nothing notify me that they are already in their own timeline, synced by PluralEyes...
So I will typically go through them, select parts, make makers, put favourites etc And only later I'll find out that all this work I did for nothing because it exists another version in a project/timeline or a compound clip, that is exactly the same file but with better quality audio....
joema wrote:
- Consider using Tentacle Sync devices. They will work with any camera or recorder and are much faster and more reliable than PluralEyes. For a long time I resisted using these, thinking FCPX sync and PluralEyes were good enough. Now I will never shoot without TentacleSync: tentaclesync.com

I'll have a look at this, thank you ;)
joema wrote:
- If possible use an audio recorder that writes a polyphonic WAV file and has iXML annotation. Examples: Zoom F4, F8, Audio Devices, etc. This greatly simplifies handling audio in post:

www.rippletraining.com/articles/free-vid...-final-cut-pro-10-3/
Sounds awesome, I don't really understand but I guess it helps, but this is very far off my budget, unfortunately...
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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 13 Dec 2019 12:10 #103205

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The problem here isn't the sync itself, but rather to know if it exists a better audio file for one (or multiple) footages.

I think PluralEye does a very good job in my situation, the problem is probably that I would like him to make me compound clips and not project/timelines... And I don't want him to reimport the same files twice in the browser, just use the available ones...

I guess this is not possible, otherwise, I would have posted this on a PluralEye's Forum.

But I'm asking for a way to isolate and sort out all the files that have already been synced by Plural Eyes, to eliminate duplicated files in my browser...
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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 13 Dec 2019 12:31 #103206

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Basically, I would like to be able to hide from the browser the unsynced version of a sync file.

So I'm fine with PluralEye Importing them again into his "synced" event.
Because at least I have the project/timeline with all the files that are used for sync, in the same event.

The problem is that I have another "version" of those files, already in my browser when I'm looking my overall files...

And I don't know how to isolate those ones, since they don't inherited of any information that I put on the "2nd version" in the "sync" event....

So is there a way to tell FCP "Hey, don't show me that file (or even, Eliminate) because PluralEyes already synced it !" ?
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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 13 Dec 2019 13:15 #103207

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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 13 Dec 2019 14:59 #103208

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FCPX.guru wrote:
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Yes but, how to isolate those files ?
As I said upper, selecting one by one manually in a lib of 1500 files is a risk of making mistakes, and very time consuming...
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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 13 Dec 2019 16:23 #103209

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NoSpHieL wrote:
FCPX.guru wrote:
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Yes but, how to isolate those files ?
As I said upper, selecting one by one manually in a lib of 1500 files is a risk of making mistakes, and very time consuming...

Normally you'd use "Used Media Ranges", open either the project or multicam created by PluralEyes, filter on "Unused Media", and only clips PE did not sync will be shown.

However it appears there may be a bug in the XML that PluralEyes generates, or in how FCPX handles that. When I open the multicam or project XML that PE creates, used media ranges do not appear. If I create my own project or multicam, export XML for that, delete the original, then re-import the XML I created, the project or multicam are created and used media ranges work OK.

Inspection of the XML created by PE shows it is version 1.2, which is very old. That might explain why used media ranges don't work right with projects or multicams created by that.

I tried copy/paste of the entire PE-created timeline to a new one but that didn't work either.
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FCPX and synced files (Pluraleyes?) workflow ??? 15 Dec 2019 13:14 #103252

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Yes, "Used media range" never worked properly for me either...

But this wouldn't help anyway because in my library, I obviously have other files that are not syncronized and that I don't want to delete either...

To be clear:
I have my whole library with 1500 files
And I have the Pluraleyes event with 50 footages
That means that when I look at my library for sorting and cutting my files for the first time, I see 1550 files and 50 of them are twice in the library (and pointing on the same original files)

I don't want to touch the files in the plural eyes event but I do want to "delete"(only from library) the version of those files that IS NOT in the PluralEyes event... Without touching the rest of the library of course :/

Is there possibility of showing duplicated files ?
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