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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 02 Nov 2016 13:37 #81965

Now I'm using new graphic card - Sapphire Nitro RX 480 OC 8 GB

macOS 10.12.1
FCP 10.3

BruceX result without background rendering 27 sec
BruceX result with background rendering 14 sec

So, if you want correct result, please delete project generated files.


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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 02 Nov 2016 19:27 #82012

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@tiit.aunaste,
It is stable RX480 under OSX? requires some advanced tweaking or it works out of the box?
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 04 Nov 2016 13:14 #82174

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proenca wrote:
For ages, I lurk on this thread. Years to be honest :)

And I envied always the low times - I had a MacBook Pro 17" with discreet graphics, then upgraded ( erm... ) to a MacAir i7 and I despaired.

Now, that prices are rock bottom, I bought a MacPro 5,1.

Yawza !

MacPro 5,1 @ 3.33ghz 6 core
16gb Ram
SSD 240gb
Radeon 280x 3GB

Time to Render : 31 secs.

Still time to improve - a lot to be honest - by adding a second SSD and strip them and adding a second R9. But so far, the performance is stellar. This is under Sierra and FCP 10.2





Ok, since I had few problems with Sierra (mainly my Wacom was impossible to get a reliable driver, airport issues, etc ) I downgraded to El Capitan.

At the same time, I got FCPX 10.3

So here are my new results, very interesting :

MacPro 5,1 @ 3.33ghz 6 core
16gb Ram
SSD 240gb
Radeon 280x 3GB

Time to Render : 20 secs.

Background render turned off.

So I installed 10.3 FCPX and time is ... 19 secs.

Now that is a perfectly good time to me ( in my book :) ) and I'm quite happy. I find that the system is much more responsive under El Cap than in Sierra.

Apple will have a hard time trying to update my MacPro to Sierra now... my two other Air's in the House run Sierra fine - I prefer El Cap, much faster overall, faster FCPX ( 10 secs improvement is very interesting ). Also, due to the fact that I just bought this MacPRO for 800€, with the R9 already, getting these times is heaven.
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 07 Nov 2016 13:06 #82338

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proenca wrote:
Background render turned off.

So I installed 10.3 FCPX and time is ... 19 secs.

(...)

Just for fun, I made the same test on my Mac Air

Specs :

Macbook Air
i7 @ 1.7ghz
8gb ram
HD Graphics 5000, 1536mb vram

Time to complete, background off, average of 3 : 145 seconds.
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 09 Nov 2016 13:21 #82480

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mvarney, that is a lot of very useful feedback, thanks so much!

good thing, I never attempted the EFI mod then – wasn't aware of the ports difference and it's effect on the EFI mod's function etc.

also, I was not aware a "resistor mod" is necessary to get the full PCIe bus speed. I assumed, I got 5GT/s out of my sapphire. but when I tried to check in System Report under the Hardware>PCI section, I discovered a note saying "There was an error while gathering PCI device information." never noticed that before. after a bit of testing (booting into Mavericks: same message; removing sapphire card: message gone and PCI info available for cards on all other slots), I realised, it has to do with the GPU. never heard of / read about that. have you got the same behavour? is it related to the card not running the Mac EFI? how is it possible to find out the link speed of the card?

I came across AndreeOnline's PSU cable mod before, but decided it's too involved for me. I never have enough time and thus not enough experience for mods of such extend.

how could I find out more about the provided and consumed power for the card? I use iStat Menus, which does provide an extensive amount of info on power consumption under the sensors section. I am just not in the know of what to watch and what the numbers should have to be.

so I tried to run the Hotel Scene in LuxMark 3.1 under El Capitan, but it keeps crashing. on the default LuxBall HDR scene, I get an average of 11580.
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 09 Nov 2016 13:25 #82481

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proenca, which exact version of the Radeon 280x are you using and is it EFI modded?
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 09 Nov 2016 14:34 #82483

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Hi. I have r9 280x from gigabyte. Can somebody tell me what diference is 2,5GT/s. and 5 GT/s ? In FCX is diference ? Thank you
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 09 Nov 2016 15:36 #82486

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I tried my dual 280X cards in various PCI slots on my Z97X MB, I forget the speeds but some are twice the speed of the others. No noticeable difference to me. I still did this benchmark in 11-13 secs (from memory).

I also benchmarked 5770's in an old Mac Pro with the slow and very slow PCI slots and it made no difference.

YMMV

Rob
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 09 Nov 2016 18:53 #82498

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fcpchris, it is my understanding that all installed video cards need to have an EFI BIOS to avoid the "error while gathering PCI device information" in the System Information app. That has been my experience so far. Since my last post, I have installed an MSI R9 280X Gaming 3G. This seems to be closer to the reference design (1 DVI port) that is supported by the Apple drivers, and the Mac EFI BIOS is working on it. I have not yet removed the resistor to enable 5.0 GT/s PCI speed, so System Information reports it as 2.5 GT/s. Before I installed Mac EFI, System Information gave the error message. I can pretty much guarantee that your card is running at 2.5 GT/s.

As rwillett mentions, enabling 5.0 GT/s may not be necessary to get full performance out of these cards. Others have also reported that it makes little difference for most, if not all, purposes. I think I will do the mod eventually and run the benchmarks again to see what the difference is.

It is odd that the Hotel scene is crashing. I wonder if that is a clue to what is wrong. I have been able to run it with no problems on 10.11.6 with both the Sapphire and MSI cards, with or without the EFI BIOS. I am getting 2120 with the flashed MSI card. I tried the LuxBall scene and got 12189. This is somewhat faster than what you are reporting, but not as much as the difference in our BruceX results would suggest.

I don't have iStat menus installed, but I am guessing that it will show you voltage for each PCIe slot, and the two PCIe booster connectors. Watch the voltages for the slot where the card is installed and the two boosters. Mine are dropping by about 0.03 V under load.
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 10 Nov 2016 09:46 #82514

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mvarney, thank you so much for all the useful insights.

I also wondered about a possible relation between the crash of the LuxMark Hotel scene and the slow BruceX results. Will try to run the Hotel scene under Mavericks and let you know of the outcome.

I attached a screenshot of my iStat menus Sensor List. it shows voltage as well as amperage. (Sapphire card is installed in slot 1)

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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 10 Nov 2016 09:54 #82515

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I've never got the hotel screen to work, I have tried for a few years, it always crashes with my 280X cards.

I gave up on it.

Rob
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 10 Nov 2016 10:02 #82516

Yes, it's stable. I'm using FCP, Resolve and Adobe programs.
For setup follow this guide www.tonymacx86.com/threads/enabling-amd-...ds-in-sierra.201364/
dorin wrote:
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@tiit.aunaste,
It is stable RX480 under OSX? requires some advanced tweaking or it works out of the box?
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 10 Nov 2016 17:51 #82550

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fcpchris, those voltages look good to me, but I'm guessing that this is not while the card is under load (the amps look too low for that). When the Hotel scene "crashes," does the entire system go down, or just the LuxMark app?
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 10 Nov 2016 18:00 #82551

Dear Tinkerers!

… we are now approaching page #3 with your discussion what GPU where how connected does what.
Which is somehow BruceX related… but only somehow.

Be nice to Alex Gollner, the OP of this thread, and feel free to launch your own thread in the hardware-section of this board.

THE GRUMPY JANITOR
(who has to clean up this mess…)
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 10 Nov 2016 18:29 #82556

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Karsten Schlüter, sorry about the hijack!
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 14 Nov 2016 12:57 #82730

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rwillett wrote:
I've never got the hotel screen to work, I have tried for a few years, it always crashes with my 280X cards.

I gave up on it.

Rob

for the record : I downloaded the LuxMark, did the Hotel scene ( 2370 score btw ) all did fine.

Using 280X 3GB, on a 6 core 3.33ghz and with El Capitan.

Mod speaking here
for the record, you meanwhile don't even mention BruceX anymore, topic of this thread.
This is no chatroom.
Do us a favour, and start your own discussion about your hardware modifications
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 14 Nov 2016 12:58 #82732

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fcpchris wrote:
proenca, which exact version of the Radeon 280x are you using and is it EFI modded?

To be honest, I have to check : I bought the MacPro recently and ordered with the 280X already.

It is EFI modded and flashed for sure - my system detects it as a D700. Later on, I will open the MacPro and let you know
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 26 Nov 2016 00:56 #83298

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I'm seeing rendering times nearly double since installing Sierra and 10.3 (clean install of both). I would like to pinpoint the cause.. nVida drivers? Sierra? FCP? My BruceX time = 49 sec :sick:

i7-6700K
64GB DDR4-3000
3 Samsung 950 Pro 512GB SSDs
GTX 980ti 6GB
macOS 10.12.1
FCP 10.3
Latest nVidia driver
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 07 Jan 2017 15:35 #84618

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MBP 2016 , 2,9 Ghz i7, Radeon 460, 2 TB SSD
10.12.2
44s

MacPro 2013 , 6 Core 3,5 Ghz, D500,512 GB SSD
10.12.2
19s (was 12.5s with 10.11.2 and FCPX 10.2)


Macbook Pro Retina ,Mid 2014, i7 2.8 Ghz ,16 GB RAM ,NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M 2048 MB, 1 TB SSD
10.12.2
88 s (was 64s with 10.11.1 an FCPX 10.2)


conclusion: very nice performance-gain on the new MBP but why the general performance dropdown with the new os/fcp-x ? edit: tested with FCPX 10.2.3 again: there performance was another 10-15% lower than with 10.3.1
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BruceX: Try this new Final Cut Pro X benchmark 23 Jan 2017 04:40 #85099

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Thank you for creating this test Alex. One question:
5. Export the QuickTime movie by choosing "File:Share:Master File...'

6. In the dialogue box that appears, click the 'Settings' Tab

7. In the 'Video Codec' section choose 'H.264'

The video codec option doesn't include H.264 in the list of Mastering options , only publishing options. Which to use?
Once that is decided there is a further option of Faster Encode or Better Quality - again, which to use?

Here are my results using ProRes 422:
iMac (27-inch, Late 2012), 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7, 32 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2048 MB OSX 10.12.2 (16C67)

= 128 seconds

This seems to be about double the results I am seeing for comparable machines and around the range I would expect for a hi end Mac Mini. Am I mistaken about that?
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