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Anyone using ''Hackintosh's'' ? 12 Jun 2017 03:04 #88744

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Hey everybody.
I'm thinking about buying a ''hackintosh'' to work with FCPX, i already own one iMac, but i need a upgrade.
The specs of the one i'm looking for is :
16gb RAM -Hyperx
2 tb HD and one 240gb SSD
Geforce gtx 1060 6gb
intel core i7 6th gen.

Do you guys think that with this configuration, i can work with 4k/30fps and 1080/120fps timelines without trouble ?
Thank you.
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Anyone using ''Hackintosh's'' ? 30 Dec 2017 14:29 #92849

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The major issue with a Hackintosh, is support. You have next to none. If you make a living with FCPX, I'd get an Apple computer. I've yet to see a Hackintosh be worth the effort. There are those who will argue that point, but as a retired IT engineer, and been doing video since 1974, again, I've yet to see a Hackintosh be worth the time spent supporting it "yourself". My personal two cents, stay away from them. But others will chime in about how wonderful they are, until a software update comes along and causes you to spend time fixing things again.
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Anyone using ''Hackintosh's'' ? 31 Dec 2017 15:06 #92878

nicfb wrote:
…thinking about buying a ''hackintosh'' … Do you guys think that with this configuration, i can work with 4k/30fps and 1080/120fps timelines without trouble ? ….

conc. Hackintosh, interesting statement from honorable board member JoeMa:
www.fcp.co/forum/4-final-cut-pro-x-fcpx/...-agrees-or-not#92859
read §(2) in his reply …

I work with 4k/30fps on a 2012MacMini …-
What is a 1080/120 timeline good for??? How do you distribute 120fps video??
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Anyone using ''Hackintosh's'' ? 31 Dec 2017 21:12 #92885

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I just built an Hackintosh. My first ever...

I needed/wanted a more powerful computer as I was using a 2012 MacBook Pro retina (2.6ghz/16gb ram). Which held up surprisingly well as long as I was editing HD/2K.

I went for the Coffee Lake i7-8700K 6 core 3.7ghz processor and a Radeon RX 580 graphics card (same as in top of the line regular iMac).

My reasoning was: I just couldn't afford the iMac I wanted as it would be around €3000. The build I did was not cheap at €2200. And I could by it piece by piece as I had the money. I'm a freelance/artist so my income is highly irregular so I can only buy things if I can pay them in full in one go. That's my biggest issue with Apple's computers... they're great, but you have to come up with €3000 in one go, something that is VERY rare for me.
I wish they would do a Mac. not an iMac, not a Mac Pro. But a Mac... A computer that used "consumer"components that you could add a few hard drives, change graphics card etc, that doesn't use super expensive server grade stuff in it. But that seems very unlikely to happen... so here I am with a Hackintosh...

I watched quite a lot of YouTube videos and read forums before doing it, so once the components were all assembled the actual build took maybe 2 hours... installing macOS was a bit of a mess but finally made it work. (funnily enough, I just can't manage to install Windows 10!) ;)

It's working great now... except... there's some weird instances where FCPX will freeze the whole computer that I haven't figured out yet. So far it's only been on old projects... and current suspect is motionVFX things. They have been problematic before on my old real mac as well. It's a bit hard to tell as I went straight to High Sierra and APFS whereas my old machine was on Sierra.

I bought it with the knowledge that there probably would be quirks for a while.
Like FCPX.guru says, if you expect to build it and just be up and working without issues, a Hackintosh is not for you. But if you're like me, with very little money and some time on your hands then go for it!
I've been using Macs since '94 and have never needed to use support, so for me that is a moot point.

Except the occasional freezes in FCPX I must say I enjoyed it more than I thought. And I like the idea of having a computer where I can switch out parts as needed. Just being able to install internal harddrives is great! My case can fit 11 HDDs or 9 SSDs... and the motherboard I got can fit 3 NVMe SSD drives... Thunderbolt drives where always too expensive for me so this is great!

All that said... If I could have afforded an iMac I would have preferred not having to worry about the software part of things...

And for the OTs build, one note: all I have read is that AMD Radeon graphics cards are much better in FCPX than NVIDIA cards, and also natively supported by macOS so a bit easier to get working in a Hackintosh.
And going with 6th gen CPUs seems like too much work for something that old...
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Anyone using ''Hackintosh's'' ? 01 Jan 2018 15:25 #92903

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FCPX.guru wrote:
The major issue with a Hackintosh, is support. You have next to none. ...as a retired IT engineer, and been doing video since 1974, again, I've yet to see a Hackintosh be worth the time spent supporting it "yourself". ...

In general I agree with this. Max Yuryev has some nice "how to" videos about building Hackintoshes for FCPX, and if you stay with a pre-investigated "recipe" this lessens your chances of complications (see below).

However doing real production work involves more than getting it to boot and run a few benchmarks. It involves working long hours to meet a deadline, and putting 100% of your energy into that. The last thing you want when you've been working 16 hr days for several weeks on a video project is some weird, intermittent Hackintosh glitch that demands you stop work on video and start work on system debugging.

For someone with a more "hobbyist" approach to video a Hackintosh can be OK. If you don't need absolute, rock-solid 24x7 reliability under high stress, it can be OK. You can learn a lot, and some people just like to tinker.

But I have built many machines over the years and I'm tired of that -- I have production deadlines to meet.

The other issue is building a Hacktinosh optimized for FCPX is more complex than building a Windows PC. You can't stuff in the trendy "CPU & GPU of the moment" to the motherboard you got a great deal on and expect it to work perfectly and deliver better performance than a recent iMac, esp. on H264 material. That is the hidden "killer" of Hackintoshes on FCPX -- usually Quick Sync does not work, so no matter how fast the CPU and GPU you take a huge performance hit on the world's most common codec, H264.

I talked to Max about this on the below Hackintosh, and he said despite all his skill and experience he couldn't get it to run stably with the on-chip GPU enabled (required for Quick Sync), yet he didn't want to give up the discrete GPU. So he had to disable the on-chip GPU in the BIOS which disabled Quick Sync. He probably spent lots of time trying to debug and make that one aspect work. For me, such things are time and frustration I cannot afford.

In general you want an AMD GPU for Hackintoshes, not nVidea. FCPX is increasingly optimized for those.

For people tight on funds, my general recommendation is get an Apple-refurbished iMac 27, 2015 or later. But even the top-spec 2013 model is quite good, although it doesn't have a retina display. The ideal machine would be a factory-refurbished 2017 i7 model. Those are super-fast on 4k H264, but it will be a while before more show up on the refurbished site.

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Anyone using ''Hackintosh's'' ? 01 Jan 2018 19:28 #92905

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Karsten Schlüter wrote:
What is a 1080/120 timeline good for??? How do you distribute 120fps video??

I doubt he's delivering 120fps, but rather using it for some nice slo mo.
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