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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 17:15 #58137

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I would not see Apple having any interest at all in this. They dumped Xserve. Their only concession to pro hardware is the garbage can MP. That's as far as they want to go. Can't see Apple having any interest in Avid. Avid's life or death is irrelevant to them.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 18:33 #58139

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Exactly. Specialized hardware is something Apple divorced itself from years ago now. It will still make software purchases to enhance their existing products (the MXF company that was bought for the new codec support), but Apple will leave specialized hardware to others.

Even the MacPro, with PCIe being replaced with Thunderbolt, is looking to make Apple's support of pro peripherals as painless for them as possible.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 20:35 #58143

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The FCPX release was a singular, unique blunder. Heads rolled over that. It came out too soon, yes, and there were folks in Apple who fought to not let it out so soon.

What hardware of Avid's are you talking about? Apple has never had an interest in Avid's type of hardware. There's no future in that stuff.

Beats is a major online streaming service, and a staff of super creative people who fit right in with taking iTunes into the future.

Apple is developing Logic Pro X, why would they take on ProTools? Just to re-write the whole thing from scratch? Naw, makes no sense.

Photos is going to be just fine. Folks will be very happy with it, if they look at it honestly. But there will always be haters who bash what Apple does and preach Apple's doom. They've always been around, they alway will be, ignore them.

As for backwards compatibility, FCPX is the only app with that issue, and that is because of such a drastic paradigm shift, there's nothing similar. Look how much work was put into 7toX! That was a hell of an effort. Apple told them to go ahead and do it, because they could do it better and faster than Apple had resources to.

Pages, Numbers, Keynote, none have had backwards compatibility issues. I run my business on them, have for years. When I upgraded, my old documents had no issue with the new versions.

Backwards compatibility has to end at some point, or you tie yourself to outdated technology and code and your app will never evolve.

If Apple bought Avid, a company that is bleeding to death, what would they gain? A product line that is not successful. So they'd have to throw it all out and start from scratch. What's the point in that?
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 21:03 #58147

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Current versions of Pages, Numbers, and Keynote cannot open legacy documents from previous versions of iWork. iWork '08 Numbers documents won't open in the current version. And Pages '08 documents (my old invoices) won't open with the calculations intact.

I'm not saying that backwards compatibility should last forever, but saying FCPX was the only instance isn't true.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 21:22 #58149

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When I'm cutting spots I want the smallest vertical footprint but when I am editing the audio I want to see nothing but waveforms. The F keys are easily accessible and I'm left handed so all of my shortcut keys tend to be on the left side of the keyboard. The F keys were open. Easy to toggle between views.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 21:29 #58151

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OK, I was wondering, because keyboard shortcuts already exist for those functions.

Actually, I updated to the newer Paged, Numbers, Keynote the day they were release. I never had issues opening documents from my previous versions. I've never seen that issue. Now, if you were on a really old version of those apps, yes, there were issues. But that's like going from FCP 3 to FCP X.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 21:31 #58152

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BenB wrote: As for backwards compatibility, FCPX is the only app with that issue, and that is because of such a drastic paradigm shift, there's nothing similar. Look how much work was put into 7toX! That was a hell of an effort. Apple told them to go ahead and do it, because they could do it better and faster than Apple had resources to.

Pages, Numbers, Keynote, none have had backwards compatibility issues. I run my business on them, have for years. When I upgraded, my old documents had no issue with the new versions.


Unfortunately, you are not correct here. See attached screen grab for a case in point.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 21:37 #58154

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That's exactly what I said, if you go from a version of anything too far back, yes, there is backwards compatibility. But, if you upgraded to iWork 09, there was no issue. That's normal for any major application upgrade. My studio kept up with iWork latest versions. We didn't have issues. That's all I'm saying. Try opening an FCP3 XML file with 7toX.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Jan 2015 21:46 #58155

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BenB wrote: That's exactly what I said, if you go from a version of anything too far back, yes, there is backwards compatibility. But, if you upgraded to iWork 09, there was no issue. That's normal for any major application upgrade. My studio kept up with iWork latest versions. We didn't have issues. That's all I'm saying. Try opening an FCP3 XML file with 7toX.


No, that's not what you said. You said that FCPX was the only Apple application that had backwards compatibility issues.

And for what it's worth, I searched my file server for the oldest .PPT file I had online. It's from June 1999. Still opens flawlessly in PowerPoint 2011. And the iWork forward-compatibility track record is nothing to crow about either when compared to the Office lineup. Microsoft only broke forward compatibility one time that I know of (from .doc to .docx) and they provided free plugins for older versions of Office to allow them to open the newer format.

I feel queasy using Microsoft as an example of how Apple could do better in a particular area. I need to go lie down now.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 08 Jan 2015 13:15 #58173

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As iMovie is Final Cut Pro X with a consumer interface, Apple's need to update iMovie to add Yosemite extension features will be a determining factor in the release date of the next major version of Final Cut.

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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 08 Jan 2015 14:43 #58176

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How about a shortcut for switching A/V Output on/off (keyboard assignable of course)!
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 08 Jan 2015 14:48 #58178

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At this point I hope they don't put Extensibility ahead of other features. While it's a boon for iOS application interoperability, traditional plug-ins already fill this role pretty well on the Mac. Let's let Photos test these waters and integrated them into iMovie/FCPX later.

As for A/V Output. I'd like to see being able to switch frame-rates and resolutions without having to quit and restart FCPX, that would be wonderful.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 09 Jan 2015 10:07 #58216

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I feel I am missing a 'Bounce in Place' for video & audio clips!!... That would help improve compatibility with coloring/mixing apps, or just lighten cpu load. 'Finalize' for Multicam clips would be great for lower-end macs! Imagine a world with rendered retimed clips!? Also add the ability to go back to the original un-bounced clip.

I have sent feedback. If we all send feedback with this? and other great ideas that are going around lately, perhaps we can all have a more efficient 2015!!...
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 09 Jan 2015 11:09 #58218

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Video guy tend to avoid those kinds of things as the multiple recompressions deteriorate the image.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 11 Jan 2015 06:05 #58306

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Here I am editing and thought of this. Of course it may have been mentioned before with expanded UI capabilities. Having a secondary monitor with my browser on it nice and big. I would love to have the event viewer over there as well.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 11 Jan 2015 07:18 #58307

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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 11 Jan 2015 13:47 #58311

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Don Rumsey wrote: Here I am editing and thought of this. Of course it may have been mentioned before with expanded UI capabilities. Having a secondary monitor with my browser on it nice and big. I would love to have the event viewer over there as well.


Wish granted! You can already do this.

Window>Show Events on Second Display

I would personally like to be able to push the Projects window to a second display as well, so that you get the full display height for complex timelines.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 11 Jan 2015 23:50 #58323

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Yeah that's what i have now...however as far as i can tell you can't put the event viewer over there alongside them. Separately from the main window with the main viewer.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 11 Jan 2015 23:54 #58324

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Wait, so you're looking to have the Viewer AND the Event Browser on the second display?

Cause that would basically be what I'm asking for- Event and Viewer on one display, and Project window on the other.
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10.1.5 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 12 Jan 2015 00:28 #58325

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Yes! Exactly. It would be nice while picking out clips and ranges and reviewing them in the secondary display then appending them to the story line. It may be trivial to have to take yes off of the secondary display to review the ranges...but...I'm being greedy dammit!
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