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TOPIC: FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION

FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 01:42 #35213

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marchyman wrote: The x264 plug-in for compressor is old and unsupported -- but it still works. It does High Profile and CABAC. Sure, it would be nice if Apple added it's own support. I don't expect it. I'd like to be wrong.


As a Quicktime component I wouldn't be surprised if that breaks very soon. In fact if Compressor is updated or folded into FCPX (especially the latter) I'd expect it to break. That would mean Flip4Mac also breaking as well sadly.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 01:46 #35214

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"As a Quicktime component I wouldn't be surprised if that breaks very soon."

Oh, it'll break, but I don't think it'll be "very soon" I'd guess it's more like Rosetta. Developers need time to transition their stuff to AVF. Bear in mind, I have no idea what I'm talking about...
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 01:58 #35216

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plysat wrote: "As a Quicktime component I wouldn't be surprised if that breaks very soon."

Oh, it'll break, but I don't think it'll be "very soon" I'd guess it's more like Rosetta. Developers need time to transition their stuff to AVF. Bear in mind, I have no idea what I'm talking about...


To the best of my knowledge there will be no equivalent. Either Compressor will build it in to their encoder or you'll have to buy a third party encoder (Episode, Squeeze, etc).

Quicktime X Player itself may not support plugins either.

AVFoundation has been around for a while.

This may be where things are headed.
origin.telestream.net/switch/
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 02:27 #35217

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Any thoughts about where/how H.265 fits into this?

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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 03:22 #35218

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H.265 is great. Though the encoding times will be really bad without a super powerful system. I don't see it being implemented yet though as there are no cameras/devices using it yet. At least in the consumer and working professional world. Once it is more widely adopted I would expect a Pro Codecs update that will bring compatibility.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 03:31 #35219

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h.265, like h.264, was designed as a delivery codec. Thankfully, as you say, the processing power needed for encoding is huge, so that fact will hopefully keep it out of cameras for a while. The last thing we need is another lossy camera codec to deal with in post.

I don't think we'll have a clear picture until CES or NAB as to whether we'll actually see any h.265 delivery systems in 2014. An A7 in a new aTV could probably do it, if Apple has the will.

I'm hopeful we'll see some nice improvements to Compressor this year. It was pretty much unaltered in it's port to the MAS in 2011. But I think the fact that they did port it means they must have a plan for it.

It and Aperture are the only two ProApps still using the Legacy UI.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 05:17 #35220

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What has been interesting with Apple especially since the mid 2000's is how rumored tech suddenly comes standard with new hardware releases These Apple specific GPU versions in the new Mac Pros could very well have h.265 hardware acceleration. Just saying.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 07:48 #35223

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… h.265 is, again, a patent minefield.
Google wants to boost its VP9 into the market…
And as long as we don't see h.265-hardware-accelerated decoders, it's all very vague.

all the more, any encoding-system has to be 'open minded' for implementation of new standards, processes… only time will tell.

As mentioned above:
Apple should first invest in a improved version of h.264 ....
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 09:24 #35225

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I would like to have the ability to do something in the new FCPX 10.1 like what iMovie now has with the Theater function. Maybe Apple is testing this in iMovie for something like this in FCPX for the future.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 10:45 #35227

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just to make a glimpse, what others do meanwhile:
www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/nuke-produ...mily/latest-version/

The Foundry published Nuke8, the video on the site shows some 'new' features ... its new 'color matching' reminds me of .... hmmm? ;) but what's better with Nukes version of matching: it shows in its 'color board' WHAT changes/adoptions it does ... would like to see that in FCPX, esp. as a noob to grading like me.-


back2topic ...........
(four days left aaaaand counting)



PS: is there some law or somethin', which demands, that the speaker in such videos HAS to be some amateur with an un-understandable accent??? hey, its marketing - if I don't understand the salesman, I probably don't buy it??? :angry:
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 21:25 #35255

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We don't know that it's 4 days. Technically Autumn doesn't finish until the 22nd!
So that leaves the 17th wide open as well.

On a side note, starting winter on the 22nd makes good sense. Here in Australia we should do the same with our summer as it doesn't really start getting that hot until about then.
Unless of course you live up the top or near the centre. ;)
Sean Lander - Editing since 1982 - AVID 1991 - FCP 1999 - FCPX 2011
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 22:59 #35257

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You know that Nuke's had matchgrade tools for years now right? Pre-dating FCPX. This is an upgrade to those match grade tools, and from experience, they're far superior to FCPX's offering.
Also, I'd imagine that FCPX is probably the absolute last point of inspiration for The Foundry when looking at implementing features into Nuke. For one, they're 2 completely different tools for 2 completely different tasks - non linear editing/story telling vs single shot digital compositing.
I'm not starting a flame war, just thought I should put forward the facts re-Nuke's colour tools. And on that note, Nuke 8 is an incredible update. I've been using the beta at work for a while now, and it's packed with so many new features, along with tons of enhancements to current tools. It's one of their most impressive updates to date imho. And on top of everything? It's rock solid.

I'm hoping FCPX 10.1 will be as impressive. Albeit in different areas. I think we've all got high hopes. And I've got a feeling it's a going to be a biggy...
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 23:06 #35258

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Everyone does realise that this time next week well all be moaning about how many plugins are broken :D
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 06 Dec 2013 23:11 #35259

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Chazfest wrote: I've got a feeling it's a going to be a biggy...


LOL. I'm impressed that you can "feel" the software. No offense, just poking fun. ;)

Regarding the other note about wanting Match Color changes to be shown on the color board, I don't that it possible. I get the feeling that Match Color somehow grabs the actual color pallet from one shot and applies it to another. Almost like a false color image on a production monitor.

See here:

Notice Mr. Cow is very balanced.







Now after the color match:








Granted in this extreme example I can get kinda close with 3 way controls, but not prefect:







- T.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 07 Dec 2013 03:24 #35265

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Seanus wrote: We don't know that it's 4 days. Technically Autumn doesn't finish until the 22nd!
So that leaves the 17th wide open as well.


California creative/entertainment office culture has folks if not physically, then mentally checking out of their jobs a full week and a half or even two weeks before xmas.

My bet is for next tuesday, which means that if there is issues in the few days after release, they can get taken care of before xmas break. Which again for those types of offices has people out of the office until probably Jan 6th this year.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 08 Dec 2013 20:01 #35329

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I've heard rumblings of the alleged delay of FCPX due to problems with OS X 10.9.1, does anyone know anything more about this?
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 08 Dec 2013 20:34 #35330

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Vlastavision wrote: I've heard rumblings of the alleged delay of FCPX due to problems with OS X 10.9.1, does anyone know anything more about this?


Where exactly did you hear these rumblings? Internet myths get started so easily. If it's here-say rather than a creditable source I'd ignore it completely.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 08 Dec 2013 21:46 #35333

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Presuming it is a "delay" from whatever internal goal date they originally had- there's all sorts of rumors flying around now from the aforementioned 10.9.1 update (to support the MacPro?), to delays in components in the MacPro itself, to those holding out hope that Apple has been waiting until they can launch a new 4K Apple Cinema Display.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 08 Dec 2013 21:55 #35334

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If a tree falls in the woods and no ones around to hear it, is it really delayed? Lol. Meaning can something really be delayed if a specific ship date was never announced to begin with?

I can imagine if it were to be pushed to next year. Apple would have announced one of their 'need more time to work on it' messages by now. Most likely the Mac Pro will be released without fanfare to the store this week and FCPX along with it.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 08 Dec 2013 22:11 #35335

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This is so true, and as you say, outside of a slip from December into next year- Apple would still be meeting their publicly announced release window if they launch ANYTIME this month.

As for speculation about missed internal deadlines. That's a fools game, since there's almost no way to know for sure if you were ever right, and what does it matter anyway? Since the only date that really matters is the one that puts the product in your hands.

For whatever reason, if it takes another week for FCPX and the MacPro to ship, then that's what it will be.

Personally, I just can't imagine Apple launching any later than the week of the 16th. After that, everyone is gone mentally or physically.
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