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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 05:31 #34420

NocoDave wrote: I just thought of a nice feature I'd like to see. I found I've come to use "rejected" as something else, like a differently titled "favourite", not necessarily second favourite. But I would like to have my "rejected" back swell.

I'd like to see a 3rd option, "favourite", "customisable", "rejected". The new one is obviously re-namable. The option to add any number of "customisable" subsets of "favourites"might also be nice.

Id like to have more options in the first, fast setup of metadata before going to "keyword collections".

After keyword collecting it would give a great flexible system for what is/isn't being displayed in the "event browser".


Instead of favourite why not just use the terminology that already exist in the production like circle and etc..?
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 09:55 #34422

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tpayton wrote:

Dave_EP wrote: Why not just have the section as a rateable selection, such as 1,2,3,4,5 etc instead of just favourite or reject?


You can create a star system quite easily with keywords. It works great. Especially when using the keyboard shortcuts to assign them. Then we add notes. Those notes and keywords will then get transferred to the timeline when editing.


I totally agree, but the poster wanted to use the favourites ;)

Personally, I don't use them much. I use reject to hide stuff I don't want, but I keyword the rest so it's much easier to find what I'm looking for, rather than "what did I like" ?
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 15:33 #34426

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Dave_EP wrote: I totally agree, but the poster wanted to use the favourites ;)


Forgive me, I didn't read the entire post (this thread is getting quite long)

Favorites are actually called "ratings" internally in the XML, so perhaps Apple might expand them to include star ratings in upcoming versions.

However, Favorites are a range based "sub clip" feature, just like Keywords. However, they are limited in that they don't allow overlap, while keywords do. Keywords are also much more flexible because they allow the keywords themselves and their notes to be searchable and viewable in the timeline.

There is actually nothing that favorites (ratings) can do that keywords can't do. They are in fact a limited version of keywords.

See here in the event browser a 37 minute multicilp with use of star ratings and notes:



The story can be easily seen from these notes and ratings and an edit can be assembled in a timeline, and the notes still be searchable. Notice we had to let a few "1 stars" into the timeline:

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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 16:10 #34428

I started when FCPX, was first released, running over my rushes in the "Event Browser" and marking off "Favourites" and "Rejected". Then I'd hide rejected and set my keyword collections from the favourites and unmarked clips. This gives a bit of display option in the event browser while key wording and obviously the colour coding.

Then I started making keyword collections out of my rejected. Not using as rejected clips, but rejected and less favourable.

What I want to do now is have the dedicated "Rejected" option back, and expand the subsets of favourites/unmarked to at least 3.

There is actually nothing that favorites (ratings) can do that keywords can't do. They are in fact a limited version of keywords.


It's just making them less limited than they are, but no where near as featured as keyword collections.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 16:39 #34429

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NocoDave wrote: What I want to do now is have the dedicated "Rejected" option back, and expand the subsets of favourites/unmarked to at least 3.


That makes great sense. It seems like Apple, with FCPX and now the new iMovie 2013, is adopting much of the terminology and functionality of Aperture. Take a look at what is in Aperture filter menu. Would this be fantastic to have in FCPX?




FCPX's equivalent seems pretty wimpy in comparison:



Worth a feature request big time.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 17:34 #34430

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Because the 10.1.X series is likely to see tighter integration with Aperture, ratings and smart collections will probably work better than before.

The unreleased version of Final Cut Pro X XML includes ratings as distinct from keywords (new elements in red):

<!ELEMENT rating EMPTY>
<!ATTLIST rating name CDATA #IMPLIED>
<!ATTLIST rating start %time; #IMPLIED>
<!ATTLIST rating duration %time; #IMPLIED>
<!ATTLIST rating value (favorite | reject) #REQUIRED>
<!ATTLIST rating note CDATA #IMPLIED>

Favourites and Rejects have been stored as Ratings in XML files. Now that ratings can have names, perhaps there will be more kinds of rating in Final Cut.

<!ENTITY % marker_item "(marker | chapter-marker | rating | keyword | shot-marker )">


Looks like ratings will be applied as markers from now on (like keywords) - probably because we'll also be able to apply keywords to project timelines.

<!ELEMENT smart-collection ((match-text | match-ratings | match-media | match-clip | match-stabilization | match-keywords | match-shot | match-property | match-time | match-timeRange | match-roles)*)>



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alex4d.com/notes
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 21:44 #34453

iMovie was just updated. Now Apple is just messing with us.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 22:36 #34466

That's just mean.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 20 Nov 2013 22:44 #34467

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alex4D wrote: The unreleased version of Final Cut Pro X XML includes ratings as distinct from keywords (new elements in red):

<!ATTLIST rating name CDATA #IMPLIED>


Alex - I notice that too in the 1.3 XML, however, I also saw that currently Ratings have names in the XML, don't they?

See here:
<video offset="1644900/2500s" ref="r9" duration="10s" start="1644900/2500s"/>
            <rating start="661s" duration="6400/2500s" value="favorite"/>
            <keyword start="16612/25s" duration="2s" value="Keyword Here"/>
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 21 Nov 2013 00:00 #34469

Logic X seems updated too. I'm getting a message that additional content is available for download. Looks like more Drummer content only at the moment.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 21 Nov 2013 00:33 #34470

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T.,

Ratings carry over from the older version, it is the fact that they can have names that might help support Aperture star ratings and more. Your example doesn't have something like name="3 stars" in it.


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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 21 Nov 2013 00:40 #34471

I don't use "Aperture", but I do use the ratings in iPhoto. I tend to mark up how complete a picture is, 1 star means I had a quick look made some test adjustments, 2 means a bit more etc.

I'm sure I could find a way to slip them into my workflow, but if each star could optionally be a named category that would great.

Looking at that Aperture screenshot made me think, the coloured labels could maybe work for passing through visual reference to the timeline.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 21 Nov 2013 00:44 #34472

Though Aperture got it's 3.5 update after the October Event, the stage presentation seemed to indicate it would also be update for the MacPro. Aperture is still using Apple's old UI language, so another update must be coming.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 21 Nov 2013 17:44 #34516

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alex4D wrote: Your example doesn't have something like name="3 stars" in it.


Good point. Currently it says "value". Hopefully the FCP team gives us more in 10.1.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 23 Nov 2013 07:00 #34557

I've got that "calm before the storm" feeling right now...

December is gonna be a big month.
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 23 Nov 2013 19:40 #34570

It's been a VERY long calm...

Apple spend from September 2011 to October 2012 pushing out multiple feature updates [10.0.1, 10.0.3, and 10.0.6]. 10.1 will be the first update since then- 14 months.

It will be interesting to see how FCPX development progresses from here forward.

Have they settled down into an annual cycle now, or will we go back to more feature-oriented point updates thru 2014- then things will slow down again towards a 10.2 released in 2015.

As curious as I am, I'll just be happy when 10.1 is out.

Come on December 3rd!!
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 25 Nov 2013 09:12 #34609

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jimmyjjohn wrote: How to move these letters separately for motion graphics is there a plugins to do this motion, have a logo with letters how to do that? should I separate each letter in layer then animate manually is this is the process.


We'd normally do that in Motion, it's what it's for …. :)
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 25 Nov 2013 11:16 #34611

I've been an ardent FCPX for two years. Sadly, if those years have taught me anything, it's not to set high expectations on the next upgrade. Once burned, twice shy.

But I'm still crossing my fingers...
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 25 Nov 2013 11:28 #34612

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screendor wrote:

I've been an ardent FCPX for two years. Sadly, if those years have taught me anything, it's not to set high expectations on the next upgrade. Once burned, twice shy.

Yeah I think this is an important point. We already have a pretty amazing program and I have no doubt that we are in for a significant update but realistically it is not going to be any thing like as earth shattering as the introduction of the original FCPX. My udders are telling me 3 things, workflow, workflow and workflow. I am guessing that many a workflow tweak will also take some time before it kicks in and will be more relevant for people in a collaborative work flow process. Like how many of the FCP X editors in here are collaborating as of now? My guess is way under 10% but the goal posts are as always shifting :-)
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FCPX 10.1.0 PRE-RELEASE DISCUSSION 25 Nov 2013 11:51 #34613

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jimmyjjohn wrote: How to move these letters separately for motion graphics is there a plugins to do this motion, have a logo with letters how to do that? should I separate each letter in layer then animate manually is this is the process.


Text Sequence behavior in Motion.
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